![]() ![]() I have found violations specific to unplugged firearms over the years. So I've been told.if you asked 12 officers you'd probably get 12 answers.ĭuring my career as a Game Warden, I checked guns for plugs to limit capacity to three rounds on a regular basis. Meaning if you do epoxy in a notch its a no-no as it indicates intent. There are many guns that do it and have been told by ODNR officer's no issue for hunting so long as you aren't "modifying" the weapon to be able to do it. My daughter's old Beretta 390 will also take a ghost load on the carrier. Actually my daughter's youth 24"bbl with short youth stock makes a great HD gun (6 shots of #1 buck!) in a gun as long as my arm! Not sure what reason (other than home defense) there is to ghost load a 20 gauge Montefeltro, but I did it just to see. You can also do it with an old Super 90 Benelli 20ga bolt sliding into the newer Montefeltro. You can take an old bolt out of an M1/Super 90 with no notch from a 12 gauge and it is a straight drop into an M2! No change other than the notch. Meaning you can't pull the bolt back to put one on the carrier without engaging the lifting of the carrier (releases to early). I can't see how rounding off the notch would help because the notch serves to trigger the release of the carrier to start lifting earlier as well. I would think you actually have to epoxy in the notch on the M2 and 2nd generation Monte's to ghost load a round. I have in total 4 Benelli's (yes I love them). Ended up returning the Vinci due to finger bashing. ![]() Bought one last year and was surprised they overlooked the notching they put on the M2 style bolts to bring their guns into "conformance". I can confirm the new Vinci can be ghost loaded straight from the factory (unsure of super vinci). But they would stay in the safe.Click to expand.I can answer your question. They would be a cool complement to my Auto-5s. I have seen some pretty good examples for around $150. There are still some people using them but most are considered a curiosity. The Winchester 1911 SL is an interesting shotgun to say the least. This is the most dangerous aspect of this shotgun. To clear a round from the chamber you have to pull the barrel back just like if you were loading it. Hopefully they knew a brain surgeon that was actually smart.Įven as recent as 2005 some Oklahoma police officers were hurt while trying to unload a 1911 SL. This could put the muzzle right in the face of the rocket scientist loading it. It was pretty common for a hunter, not wanting to get the shotgun muddy, to use his boot when charging the gun. If you do a search on some of the popular firearm forums for the 1911 SL you will undoubtedly find some references to the widow maker taking a life or causing serious injury. This is how she earned the nickname “the widow maker.”Īn officer holds up the flawed Winchester 1911 Shotgun. Depending on how it was gripped, this could cause the muzzle to be in an unsafe place. The shooter grabbed the barrel, placed the butt of the shotgun on something hard and pulled. Winchester put a checkered area on the barrel to act as a grip. To charge the 1911 SL the shooter had to cycle the shotgun the same way it worked when fired - by compressing the barrel to work the action. That is a pretty important part of the shotgun and Winchester couldn’t use one. One of the parts John Browning patented was the charging tab on the bolt of the Auto-5. The biggest difference is how the 1911 SL is loaded. This is all very similar to the Browning Auto-5, but this is about where the similarities end. ![]() Around the magazine there is a coiled spring that brings the barrel back into place after the gun is fired. The Winchester 1911 SL holds five shells in a tubular magazine located under the barrel. Like the Auto-5, the 1911 SL is a long recoil action shotgun, meaning the barrel and bolt are locked together while moving to the rear after a shell had been fired, ejecting the spent shell, then chambering a new on while returning to battery. This was one problem with the design but not the most significant. This has resulted in a lot of cracked or broken stocks. Over time these break down and cause excessive recoil. Winchester uses two fiber washers instead. ![]() The Browning Auto-5 uses metal recoil rings that control the action when it is fired. He once said, “It took me nearly 10 years to design an automatic shotgun which would not be an infringement on the Browning gun.” Johnson was the main designer that worked on the 1911 SL. Ironically this is something he had learned to do while working for Winchester in the past - notably designing the 1894 lever action rifle and the 1897 pump shotgun. Browning had been meticulous in securing patents on his design. The main problem was to get around John Browning’s patents. Winchester’s attempt to design an auto-loading shotgun was troubled. The Winchester 1911 Shotgun field stripped. ![]()
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